@ Lea: Yes. mirele wrote: Thanks for being on top of things. There can be no excuse, no rationalization, no mitigating factors. It was a power play, which posed as getting rid of those %%%%% liberals. Jesus is powerful to produce life in his true followers. Greg Love is more victim prevention. I was not in the SBC much during the CR or in 2000. Dygert and Hoffpauir said they discussed their abusewith a licensed professional counselor, Branson-based Joey Staples, though not at first. church must be a relational tension-free zone (to be legit). How does he decide what is a body of Christ and what isnt? And they vouched for Pete. Dygert said that night, Newman eventually "wanted to tie a string on each other's penises. The only church specific thing I would say is that you might need to teach them not to be naive and Forgiving. Almost as much as creating your own stained glass memorial and putting it on display while you are still in power. Just PR spinning about something doesnt make it so. Yes, I did. In a statement to CT on Friday, Kanakuk Kamps said its policy is not to comment on pending litigation, but that "we continue to pray for all who have been affected by Pete Newman's behavior." Skepticism is another of the deadly sins in the authoritarian church. The head honchos at any place that does that, Joe White, John Bryson, Bryan Loritts .. However, it is because of Pete, that I have developed a worldview that acknowledges the power of sin and that no one is immune to the influence of the flesh. I dont think it works on this sort of problem that is ingrained in the institution. @ refugee: I would be spending time talking with them and seeking to ascertain if anything like this had happened to them or kids they know. Yep. Imagine women screening someone hired to serve at the Church the safety of their children would be their FIRST concern, which is as it should be. Normal people do not have a hypnotic affect, they do not seem to be the pinnacle of what a Christian should be. After all they cant sign the membership contract covenant. Thats a win! How dare they. Thanks, LawProf. I guess what it is coming down to for me is not trusting Christians to be objective and not try to cover for a brother in Christ. @ Lea: But Mohler did not start all this about soul competency as you can tell by what Lydia and I are saying-criticism of Mullins in not new apparently-or limited to calvinist thinking since my people were not calvinists. The major media companies wont report on these issues. I have had some experience with this recently. But by the fruit that is produced. The missionaries were victims of the culling of diversity within the SBC, which apparently was seen as intolerable to the new leadership. Satan is powerful to produce every kind of vice, greed and scandal in those who are deceived. People do convert out from the kind of fundamentalism that Patterson comes from, but its more into some mainland Christian denomination or possibly Episcopalian or Anglican. So yes, in that sense people are taught bible, which is certainly training the conscience. Survivors and ex-employees say the camp didn't do enough. And since he's a guy, I mean, that's what he would say, like, 'We're just guys, we're not gay. It is a way of thinking from the authoritarian control to dumbing down or hiding heinous sin and selling cheap grace for the most evil of evils. Branson is indeed well known as a vacation destination in the central US. Many years ago, one of my East Coast contacts gave me a book titled ANTI CHRIST, a historical trace of the idea of Antichrist. Its been around for a while. (She dis not realize the seminary trained youth leaders do not think she knows the true gospel .which explained a lot) She was surprised at how many parents just went along. I went to branson in like 1990. Reporting on this stuff will never end. because I was somewhere in the process of incubating my second child and I threw up about every hour or so. Your conscience is very important! I guess the appropriate word to use here is grooming. And I repeat, the pastors and teachers are the keepers of the knowledge as it were which enables one to adhere to scripture as understood by some particular group. My understanding is that the general target of the Resurgence was to get rid of liberal excesses that had arisen, especially within seminaries. we have our phone bill which is 125 for both phones plus pays for internet( I paid a little extra last month) as well. They live their life in a way to show that they despise Mammon as their example. Just think about how this impacted his adolescence and who he is today. There are goats. Pingback: An Open Letter to Bryan Loritts (Former Teaching Pastor at Fellowship Memphis) | Wondering Eagle, I just looked Ministry Safe up. I dont get it. And so you cannot blame yourself.". Pete Newman's Apology. The prosecutor's criminal charges allege that Pete engaged in sexually inappropriate behavior with adolescent boys, including some who had been Kanakuk Kampers. I had a very hard time believing any of it. If we practice Jesus teaching, then we will judge leaders and their churches by what is actually produced. However, it is because of Pete, that I have developed a worldview that acknowledges the power of sin and that no one is immune to the influence of the flesh. Dygert helped out around the camp and eventually served as a Kanakuk counselor himself, for four years. ******************** Now I find out its not so, evidently just some provincial little place that merits only an obscure, inside reference on the Simpsons. I do, however, have issues with Love referring to himself as a victim advocate. If you dont believe that read Thom Raner this time about 15 reasons pastors should not visit. As I would discover, he was only interested in boys and only my daughters spent time at the camp. "We're getting ready to go to bed and I look over and all of a sudden, he's got an erection under the blanket," Dygert said. And yet, in sacred Scripture, we learn about the law that God inscribes on the hearts of human persons, this: The first civil lawsuits against Kanakuk and former Kanakuk Kamps Director Pete Newman alleging sexual abuse are filed on behalf of a Jane Doe and John Doe in Texas federal court. OK, talk to you later. I think there are things you can do to teach your kids what to look for, and teach your church what to look for. Before that conversation I would have considered Pete to be one of few examples of what living out the faith looked like. But also no, the idea that one would make independent decisions apart from something specific in scripture, that was pretty much a no no. Nothing happened to you?' The family of a Texas boy who was sexually abused by former Kanakuk camp director Pete Newman has asked a federal court judge to issue an injunction and/or a restraining order against Kanakuk and its CEO Joe White. Because logic, reason, Christian love for the vulnerable and basic common sense all rebel against these actions! The important thing is to establish a political climate of opinion which will make it politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing. Makes me sick! The time I heard it that had THE most impact was on a CD by this one small-press Furry cartoonist from VA who was passing them out at AnthroCon some 15 years ago. They are really parsing words instead warning the parents and students? Ive posted the video here a few times of Greg Loves talk at DTS. I feel sad for them. I havent heard any more about it. Pattersons group threw out some critically-needed controls on their own power when they attacked (or allowed attack on) diversity and soul competency, I think. The abuseexperiencelastedfrom 1999 until roughly 2003, during the time that Newman was a counselor at Branson-based Kanakuk Kamps. tee hee. What message does this send to our children about Christian leadership? In fact, there is now so much info online to educate churches about sexual abuse that ministries have no excuse for being ignorant. I often get the feeling that some today would have called us works type Christians back then. :o). And sadly, the followers have to share in the responsibility of creating and maintaining these monsters and their protectors. Today it gets Oh, it was just some skinny dipping thing.. A civil lawsuit filed lateragainst Newman stated that Newman abused 57 underage victims linked to Kanakuk. Why is this so *hard* for churches to get right? They are perfect victims. "All I know is, he said, 'Don't worry about it. This is not entirely alien to non-sacramental thinking since do we not all experience the presence of God in prayer usually more than on the golf course. No one else said it was wrong. -This post is focusing on Peter Newman due to his relationship with Fellowship Memphis. I had always though they could be identified by their smooth tongue only to find out many have a real gift for listening. Kanakuk located in Branson, Missouri,hasbeen long known as the premier Christian camp in the UnitedStates and abroad. It occurred to me that if he ever represented what he thinks are body of Christ victims, he would not get a lot of front end business and that is a win for him and his many church/para church clients who have money. Fingers in the ears, la la la la la la If I dont know, I dont have to deal with it. Lea wrote: http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/01/us/university-of-kentucky-sues-student-newspaper-sexual-assault/index.html What was ever wrong with trusting in Jesus Christ ? But sola scriptura does not include anything but scripture, including not tradition or reason. You were never taught soul competency which would necessitate those things? it was very moving. If they abuse anyone children, women, the people in the pew dont reward it with money, or for that matter your presence. Colleges are often very bad in dealing with rape, too. He was in the temple courts, he was disrupting the precursors to worship, which included trading the evil Roman money for holy temple money so people could buy sacrificial animals. How does anyone overlook this? http://www.vachss.com/. At least one of the victims was not yet a teen the story said he was 12, at one point. Its like the sexual harassment protection racket. Im not providing a link because its obvious that Kamp Kanakuk did a lousy, horrible job of stopping abuse and is now trying to avoid the very real consequences of Joe Whites decisionmaking with regards to Peter Newman. There are very few things/people above criticism in my world. White described Coors as a "well-buffed athlete," "tall and as handsome as a model.". He was never a Kanakuk camper, but he said he took part in plenty of activities with Newman. In 2018, Newman was found liable for $10 million in damages, but was later released from a garnishment.) Joe and his camp, Kanakuk, have been sued by Multiple former campers claiming that he and the camp knew that former employee Pete Newman was abusing children on camp grounds from 1999-2009. We believe that a valid receiving of the Eucharist can be done with merely the bread or the wine or with both the bread and wine, preference being both. Well done! Both may rail against the world, but with a different attitude. Loritts allegedly responded It was just some skinny dipping thing. I suppose that assumes that they were. I wondered if I had missed something. Of course there are some similarities and some overlap on some issues. Humbly serving? And we had nothing to do with children. That is soooooo Christ-like. There are very few things/people above criticism in my world. @ ishy: They are unfortunately few around us. I grew up just the other side of the Missouri state line over into Kansas, about two hours away from Branson; I always thought Branson was a huge deal, nationally and internationally-known. Our informant, having heard about the Newman situation,questionedBryan Lorittsabout Peter Newman'sposition at the church. Hoffpauir, now 34, recalledthat during the phone call, Newmantold him, "Things are getting crazy. Too many want a big show of everything, with celebrities and entertaining music. But that was long before they invented duct tape and bolt cutters. I would think some of these firms are seeing some these churches/para churches have very Deep Pockets. Anybody who is riding around Kamp on ATVs in the nude has a serious problem. In the latest lawsuit, attorneys for John Doe XIIIargue that he began to be groomed by Newman for sexual abuse as early as 1999, when he was an underage camp attendee. Its considered very family friendly. For lawyers to suggest that a child in this story is exaggerating the trauma he has went through is repulsive. In court documents filed in February 2013, Kanakuksays it will present testimony from expert witnesses that will cast doubt on the severity of the harm John Doe suffered as a 12-year-old sexual abuse victim. So liberal can be just about anything these days as can right wing. How to Resign from a Church After 2005, when he was roughly 18, he no longer participated "in Kanakuk programs on Kanakuk property," according to a court filing. I assume that my family and what was being taught at the specific churches where I was back when were among those to took issue with Mullins over this idea. I think we have entered into a new realm where we have to question and be vigilant when it comes to Christian institutions and leaders. The college said, ok. We dont want it. :o). In cases of abuse, the painful part would be consequences either legal, financial or in the form of firings or removal of people from jobs/office as elders. This imight be true. After graduating from Auburn University, Pete was brought on full-time in 1999 and started the Kanakuk Father & Son Retreats. They lied, saying he had only spoken a 3-6 times when he actually had spoken over 30 times including 10 overnight gigs. These people groom everyone they can reach who would stand in a position that they can use or that could possibly bring them harm, including political and law enforcement figures. Kanakuk peddles their safety systems for profit to schools, insurance companies, churches and camps. (Last year, Newman was found liable for more than $5 million in damages in that case, Missouri court records show.) As a world leader among Christian summer camps, Kanakuk provides children withfun,safeandprofessionaloutdoor youth camping experiences that grow them spiritually, physically, emotionally and socially. Branson is a popular vacation site. There certainly seems to be a lot of nepotism. CEO and Board Chair, and his wife Debbie-Jo, Vice President, who inherited their roles from Joe's parents in the 1970s. Women abused by priest Brendan Smyth took own lives, says cleric DArcy When she asked what was up, Hoffpauir remembersreplying, "Hang on a second.". A civil complaint alleges that there were at least 57 victims, but the prosecutor in his case estimates that the real number could be in the 'hundreds.'" 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