How drastically do you think it would change the action if I pushed the swell out in front of the handle? Some good stuff here. Get information on services and amenities, security protocols, health and safety measures, and more. As Stephen points out if you can cast the rods then graph them out you really start to understand how it all comes together. (Larry Swearingen). .350@40 As to my question about the ferrules is, your rods say, e.g. Lyle Dickerson oft written about little powerhouse of a rod. The second you deviate from a straight line, no matter how you want to describe it, the fact that there was a straight line is irrelevant. 0.220 (Robin Haywood). (Gary Nicholson), I think most rodmakers wouldn't build a rod to sell that they didn't like, but would make one for a customer that they wouldn't use themselves, I know I have. I just put stepdown ferrules on my first rod, an 8014 Dickerson. 85 0.296 138357 0 .326 .180 (Nick Nasello), I made the Dickerson 8615 last year for lake bass and liked it but it does get to be a bit if a bear to cast after about 3 hours. No Question about it, John Pickard. In the hands of a good caster, this taper will make a fly line do things that amaze. . 75 0.279 126179 I'll give you a bit of background on the question. that is less the difference of the step. Chris acquired one shortly thereafter. Special Note on this rod/ All the snake guides on the tip are 2/0 and the mid are 1/0 with a 8 stripper on butt section. Can do a little better some days, but not always. I do find that I am using much shorter rods than I did, I think its the American influence of this Listserv! Powell Rods. (Harry Boyd), In Dickerson-speak, does a 7613 have a 14 on the butt to 13 on the tip or a 13 on the butt to 12 on the tip stepdown? (Paul Blakley), I think a 7'6'' rod is short for any line weight. Maybe they were off a little but I have no reason to believe that if his 13 die were 13.5 he would not have marked it thusly. 0.229 It's why I'm fussy about ring weight on the tips of rods below #6. (Jerry Foster), I agree. The two different numbers are for the tip and the butt of the rod. double taper silk lines at short ranges. Interests: Building bamboo fly rods (occasionally), fly fishing for trout. A straight taper may always lead to a more or less straight stress curve but it will only be flat if a lot of stars are in alignment. One of my favorite rods is a linear taper with a "slope" of .290/100". the mid is 42' and the closest measurements are 40" and 45" SO 2/5THS THE DIFFERENCE WILL BE BETWEEN 40 AND 42 AND 3/5THS THE DIFFERENCE WILL BE BETWEEN 42 AND 45th. Cross Rods. I would highly recommend the 8013 for your first Dickerson rod. by FWdB 05/08/09 03:32, Post Still looking for a guide to hire for a striper trip to the Bay. 30 .174 .318 Most of the classic rodmakers continually "fudged" their tapers over the years (sometimes unintentionally due to machine and pattern wear, and sometimes deliberately). The reason I also advise using stress curves is that when you make changes, add or remove bamboo, you also effect the rest of the rod. Made 2 of the heavier one. (Mark Dyba), Okay, to continue the discussion, what are they, and why? Dies are not so easy to make that he would have probably have made an entire offset set. 0.369 Is that the 1949 or the 1951 version? I believe he told me he placed his roll casting hinge 10"-15" above the handle, depending on rod length. To accomplish this I have added bamboo to compensate for the ferrule and the Varnish & Guides.. I would be interested to hear Bob Norwood's approach on this issue. 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Winston Rods. All 5wt with identical terminal tip and butt dimensions. Rod makers history, value guide and general discussion, Link to Orvis Database by Greg Reynolds, Link to EC Powell's Mechanics of fly casting. It sounds very interesting. One of these days I am going to get myself a DICKERSON! The butt has a long flex area from 45"- 75" and a butt swell. (Will Price), I have noticed several folks mention the Dickerson 8014. (Jimmy Chang), I have made rods using both tapers. The trouble is, that's all it does! My original Dickerson is an 861711D dated 1936. (Chris Obuchowski), Hexrods library seems to suggest otherwise. Can you direct me to where I can find more information on this? But all right is not a euphemism for excellent. Bamboo Tips - Tips Area Don't you find short rods a problem on those splendid Yorkshire chalk streams? 4 wt 0.0680 Standard Tapers Two-piece with two tips, bag and aluminum tube Price : $1099 Custom Tapers Two-piece with two tips, bag and aluminum tube Price : $1199 - $1399 Examples would be different techniques or methods used by restorationists and makers. Garrison's tapers may have been all right in his day, for the equipment and applications he was designing for, i.e. (Reed Guice). 5 .096 .244 For those of you that have built this rod, does it flex into the beginning of the handle? Conversely, the .202 is at the low end of fit for a 14/64. Lyle Dickerson tapered copies Lyle Dickerson (1892-1981) has long been known as a pioneer in rodbuilding, due partly to his use of machinery in production but primarily appreciated by fishermen for many of his fast and accurate taper designs. 2 piece. 10 .310 .159 All he needed to do was speed up the butts, preferably with a concave taper form, and he would really have been cooking with gas! (Greg Reeves), This version appears to me to take a step into account. For my money I can think of a couple of rods I like better than anything Dickerson made. 40 0.184 Tapers are very personal things. There are two Perfectionists on Hexrod. Pickard makes nice rods for sure. It does handle a 7 very well too. The butts are just not stiff enough, although, in some, the tips are quite satisfactory. The conversion file will convert tapers for Solid and Fluted rods for quad, penta, hepta, and oct construction. by avyoung 06/17/16 04:49, Post ), Then as it was, then again it will be. I'm satisfied with my bamboo fly rod, even though the female metal Ferrule opening was a little big and the male ferrule on the second section would slip out after a few cast. (Mark Wendt), I checked the several places that I usually look for tapers and they all had the swell starting at 80". Bill Wara. (Bob Norwood), The point, whether you like it or not, is that you cannot design a rod that much exceeds mediocrity by using straight tapers. I have never seen an actual inch by inch measure and measure for ferrules listed that I felt was more reliable than this. (Steve Weiss), Good idea, Steven, but you would have get in line behind me and one of my Garrisons. . (Robin Haywood). In reading my post the tone seems a little harsh. 10 0.101 154505 I'm off to the antipodes next year, and I'm hoping that the 7'6'' #5 that should be a #4 will go with me. More than an eight weight is required to handle the largest of flies. Line Size Tip Size So I thought I would answer that question and build one. by avyoung 06/12/16 21:15, Post (Bob Norwood). Spotted lanternfly is an invasive plant hopper native to eastern Asia. (Lew) Parks. This is because the laws of physics don't tend to change much. The only limit you have in this process, you can't change the tip diameter because you would be changing the line weight of the rod. They would be, Heavy butt section, Light butt section, heavy tip, light tip, Parabolic (heavy in the middle) and the hinge (light in the middle). 0.120 Measured over varnish. Except for where the swell begins, the butts are similar as well. We are typically roll casting about five yards of line at very small fish, so all things can be subjugate to that. Its a very useful exercise. Point Dimension A taper is a fishing rod term that defines the rod length, optimal line weight, and rod flex action. Take a Garrison. 2023 Spinoza Rod Company. I think the 8014GS is up to the task. 0.178 Grayrock 96. ferrules, such as Mr. Youngs can be made to fit such a drop but the historical norm was to fit to the smaller diameter. That his tapers could be surpassed by todays standards? maybe someone else has one! Browse our collection of vintage fly boxes and wallets. Halstead. 0.360 (Jay Hake). You have a rod with a taper of approximately 0.0028 per inch. I think we can say that adding more material to a tip section would produce more power and reducing material on the tip section will increase accuracy and delicacy of fly presentation. The same can be said for the EC Powell taper in Hexrod (the 7'6" 2pc 6wt in the archives) which IS A B-9 TAPER; just look at the average slope from stations from the 80" mark thru 0". Chris' rod is also an 861711D. I just fished them both side by side on the Green River. Good luck. (Robin Haywood). Tom Smithwick. It is truely a wet fly action - great for those soft hacles. From 80 to 85, there is an increase of ~.070. The ID of the female ferrule where it accepts the male slide is .187", or 12/64. There are no great tapers and nobody invented anything. 85 0.3145 Is there anyone who could help us finding the right data conserning the taper. 40 .200 under grip Stress curves are an integral part of this process and have to be evaluated. If you are designing a rod based on a linear taper and you want to make it a 3 or 4 piece instead of a 2, how would this be taken into account? Not that I very much care, these people have a perfect right to their willful ignorance. 55 0.217 145405 (Pete Van Schaack), Has anyone made the Dickerson 8015 guide special at some time? Fast Dickerson 7613 - 7'6" 2pc At The Airport. I have modified these tapers to adjust them for what I think is a more modern feel. Apparently, the 'old masters' were just building fishing rods and not too worried about picking the fly poop out of the pepper. 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