As Bible-believing Evangelicals, after 2 months of silence, we could ask ourselves. By claiming to have been under the teaching of this particular rabbi, Paul is claiming to have been educated in a most impressive way. The character and position of his father. For one of these must become a witness with us of his resurrection. [Acts 1:21-22]. Clinton. Yes I agree its a commandment given by Jesus, its not optional, and it applies to us today. My absolute favorite missionary story in the Bible is the account of Paul . ), STEP 4) Paul said; Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. IT should be heretical. He fathered Simeon ben Gamliel, who was named for Gamaliel's father, and a daughter, who married a priest named Simon ben Nathanael. So Ill smoke with them, but I wont let the weed alter my own mind, because I didnt inhale! In order to be accepted in the Establishment church fellowship, you have to smoke the weed of Paul Worship- just be true to yourself and dont inhale., Maybe I could speak in code, like they did in the New Testament church with the fish symbol. When he was younger, he used to have the great theological insight about territorial spirits and wrestling with dark angels. (seriously, when have a much of Jews or Christians agreed on anything? I dont know of a single church that simply teaches the Bible simply and preaches the whole counsel of God, including Pauls sins and mistakes. b) Greg Laurie, the Boss of a wide-ranging personal cult empire that generally goes by the name of Harvest. Greg lives in Newport Beach, commutes by helicopter, and exploits the very large church he founded in Riverside from a distance, while he does his own thing in Orange County and travels around wherever he feels like, building a personal business empire with himself as the center, not Jesus. Their differing viewpoints do not seem like enough cause, to me, to doubt that Saul studied with Gamaliel. Then, in Acts 22:3, Paul says that he was "brought up in this . (Matthew 27:45). So approximately 1-2 years after the crucifixion and Resurrection. Being a Pharisee did not disqualify you from believing in Yeshua. I have been looking and wanted to know about the Gamaliel , because in Nepal we have competition for the ranking and Im bit aware of this and I have burden for our people in Nepal not go this way and I want to teach as a teacher to be out from this kinds of Gamaliel position, who just want to be in the meeting not taking burden of their neighbor who need Jesus than taking a position in the Gamaliel meetings. In other words, had God been preparing Saul for this breakthrough prior to Acts chapter 9? get up set if you want ,,but Paul was that , dont believe it ? I am not at all removing Paul (or Jesus) from the culture of the Second Temple period, but I certainly more aware of what was happening in the first century that you appear to be. The Jewish account maintains that he remained a Pharisee until his death. . I dont want to bite the hand that feeds me (and my family). From your article clearly shows you dont even understand the basic concepts of Judaism nor what those schools taught. He was the son of Simeon ben Hillel and grandson of the great Jewish teacher Hillel the Elder. (11). Rather than the many trails of supposition. Just open the Gospels, especially Mathew, which has you in mind, and listen to the voice of Yeshua. Cant accept the confirmation bias that the Brit Chadasha are jews observing Torah Judaism and removing corrupt fences. Well considering I am infact Jewish I dont need your advice on what I should read. . (I know, captain obvious). (Acts 9:20-22) I think his training with Gamaliel was a large influence on his passion though. That is OK, if it is not handy then I can look it up myself. Not the voice of the accuser, Boss Paul the Pharisee, Telling the redeemed people of God About what they used to be. Luke writes: They cast [Stephen] out of the city and stoned him. His most recent book is The Book of Enoch for Beginners: A Guide to Expand Your Understanding of the Biblical World (Rockridge, 2022). He studied under the best Jewish teachers including the well-respected teacher, Gamaliel . The Apostle John recorded about the New Jerusalem, The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. [Revelation 21:14], The Apostles are 12 faithful eyewitnesses who walked with Jesus during His entire earthly ministry, and Matthias is the 12th. Calling him a good man (Acts 11:24), a prophet and teacher (13:1), an apostle (14:14) and one through whom God worked miracles (15:12), Acts loads him with accolades. I have come to save the day! How about written in stone in heaven (in other words, for eternity.) This also convinces me that even though it seems he split from Gamaliel, early on, that did not change him into something completely opposite. Clearly youve never taken hebrew or greek in your life. You dont know him, and Ive just barely met him. It seems that people want to limit the intervention of God in the lives of people he intends to use. The man throws his huge sombrero hat on the floor, and the couple dances around it, but never steps on the hat. Was he not in the Sanhedrin when Jesus came before them? I tried to look for the beginning (Acts 1), because a friend Im discipling has asked to go through Acts with me, and this looks like good supplement material. I believe that his reaction was not majorly a reflection of his upbringing and teaching, but rather of a fear that the tradition and comfort of the Jewish ways was being challenged by a dangerous liberal view (P. Long), and he thought it his duty to protect his lifestyle and beliefs as a Hebrew of Hebrews, a Pharisee, and of the Tribe of Benjamin (Phi 3:5-5). His primary Oh well. Well considering I am infact Jewish I dont need your advice on what I should read.. No one in the pages of Bible ever said that all Scripture is EQUAL. I didnt think King Herod would knock you off so quickly. Paul states hes a Pharisee Acts 23:6 Paul States he kept Torah, the law through out his life Acts 25:7-8 and 28:17, Paul circumcises Timothy after the town rebukes Timothy for going into ministry uncircumcised (Acts 16:1-3) Paul attends synogogue faithfully (acts 17:1-2) Paul adhering to Passover (acts 18:21-22 and 1 Cor. Acts 21:39 - "But Paul said, ' am a Jew from Tarsus, in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city . The command given by our Lord and Savior Is not a Pharisee speaking alone It came rather through your apostles Matthew Peter and John, If a Pharisee boasts proudly Those men added nothing to my message He doesnt speak for Jesus His words are nothing more than garbage, Bibliography All quotes in quotation marks are from the writings of the Apostles Matthew John and Peter in the Bible, mostly the Red Letter words of Jesus. Since the garage is smaller, we can finish that quicker. You will be called Rocky. I know from the Scriptures that Paul Worship is wrong, but the entire Church Establishment says its right. Granted Shammaite pharisees love their Torah to that extent as well, but it is not a distinctly Shammaite practice. What is undisputed is that Gamaliel was "held in . Supposition and/or conjecture certainly can allow for a yes that he was probably there because a Pharisee would most likely have gone to Jerusalem for the Pasch, Passover. Upgrade to remove ads. In fact, it is in this capacity where he is first mentioned in Acts 5. Gamaliel is reflecting the Hillel tradition of non-violence and allowing God to deal with parties that against the Jews (Polhill, Paul and His Letters, 31). What Jesus clearly and specifically said is also superior and more important than your opinions about what you think Jesus meant or implied, but didnt say elsewhere. The quicker we do it, the more profitable it is for us. God has not changed, and neither has the text of The Bible. If the LORD Yahweh, and His Son Yeshua the Jewish Messiah is God, follow Him; but if Paal is God, follow him. I find it interesting to look at this perspective that you pointed out, PLong: He was an ultra-conservative reacting to what he perceived as a dangerous liberal view. Everyone seems to give Saul a bad rap (and rightly so) for his actions towards believers before his conversion, however, this at least gives us a context to understand him better. Christians threatened his view and interpretation of the law until his conversion in Acts 9. So they disagree with each other. Why do so many people frequently attack and tear down and dismiss the Original Apostles, particularly Peter, as if they were all incompetent, stupid, and wrong in so many ways, and they didnt even know what an Apostle was? Yeshua quotes many of them and in many cases agreed or corrected their rulings. But Jesus said, do not take the best seats (Luke 14:7-11), and to be like a child (Luke 18:15-17). The testimony of Jesus is the voice of Jesus, (The Red Letters,) recorded by the 11 faithful witnesses, the True Apostles that Jesus personally appointed and trained for over 3 years. 1. (John 10:33) This is still the issue with many Jews, God simply cannot become fully Incarnate. The Olympic games were created to honor the gods and Emperors were considered gods. There is no god but God Shahada part 1 in Islam. Finally in Troas, Paul received a vision of a man asking them to go into Macedonia (modern-day Greece). As a Roman citizen, Paul possessed a coveted status No need to answer. That is the order of address in near eastern culture and especially the Sanhedrin, being the Nazarite or the one ran by corrupted Pharisee and Sadducee. ). So it is possible they left out the respected Pharisee Gamaliel so that he would not oppose crucifixion. [Acts 20:31 vs Acts 19:8-10], .4) Paul abandoning the Church in Corinth after a year and a half for no obvious reason, and going off on another long trip, mostly on his own, without appointing anyone else in Corinth as overseer, or giving anyone else any specific authority in the Church in Corinth. So no there was zero Christianity in the book of Acts. To teach the bible, it is mandatory to teach from a Pharisaic background. I pray that you will be blessed with the knowledge of Jesus Christ and Gods love through the cross for you. He was raised in a Jewish society and home because everyone in the entire New Testament are Jews (or converts) who followed Torah. If Paul began study at the latest age of 16, we can guess a birth year of about 6 at the earliest. If the Hillel tradition did not offer plasticity enough to justify Pauls missions against Christians, is it possible that Paul felt that he stayed basically faithful to Gamaliel/Hillels school and to mercy because the predominant number (majority of cases) of Pauls concrete cases against Christians did not require threats of death (i.e., how many Christians caved in?). To know the truth is a blessing from Allah, if I had to guess you just have not been taught what Islam teaches, and we honor all Prophets (pbut) revere the 12 Apostles and have never acknowledged that Paul was one of Jesus (p) Apostles, but have always known he was responsible for the corruption of the Truth about God and the Messiah (p). !hum !! Then those who finished the garage can go help the others finish the house., One worker objected: But Boss Paul, those were not the owners instructions! Is the Word of God a revelation to man? Paul claims to have been educated by Gamaliel, one of the premier teachers of the Law in the first century. Similar to my discussion with Sam above, the evidence for Pauls athletic metaphors is late, maybe 20 years after conversion. I know! You cite NT Wright as describing the Shammaite Pharisee as a militant hard-liner that was not willing to work with Rome as long as they could study the Torah. I do not, however, see this as the case in the rest of the book of Acts, where Paul works the Roman system in his favor. Very much the contrary. Then the Paulist Establishment church wont persecute me, but the other Jesus People will know that Im still keeping the faith and not inhaling., What I really need is a short catchy slogan to let my fellow hippies know what is expected of them in the Establishment Church now in 1973, regarding the issue of Paul the Pharisees sins. So get to work! Philo of Alexandria can be thought of as more moderate to liberal on the Law, his brother completely rejected his Jewish heritage (providing the most extreme position possible). If Paul began study at the latest age of 16, we can guess a birth year of about 6 at the earliest. Extremely zealous follower of Judaism (Php 3:5-6). take Paul leaving his honor spot of next chief of the Sanhedrin (being Gamaliel's student). Log in. Good question, although in Acts Gamaliel is more lenient than Paul with respect to the followers of Jesus. Nave's Topical Index. Who was Gamaliel in the Bible? If you continue to post long rambling and inaccurate responses I will ban you from the site. Love as me, myself and I define love to be, and continuously redefined by sinful men. There are three things bearing on this subject among the incidental intimations which we have in respect to the early history of Saul, viz. The cornerstone of Judaism then and now is that although it has guidelines it also leaves rooms for free thought. Why believe a self-described co-redeemer holy spirit comforter who claimed; I became your father, therefore I urge you to imitate me? Take a piece of scripture and make nutty doctrines/traditions out of them. it is not uncommon for a student to disagree with his teachers viewpoints. I agree with you. Gamaliel. Let every matter be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses, as it says in the Law ! Reblogged this on By the Mighty Mumford and commented: AN INTELLECTUAL OF THE TIME, PAUL LEARNED FROM THE BEST AND MOST COMPASSIONATE TEACHER AROUND! Written in stone. What could be more permanent than that? How did Gamaliel impact Paul? Gamaliel taught between A.D. 22-55, giving us an approximate early date for Pauls education. Gamaliel said success would determine the truth of the movement. Paul made up his own rule. A sacred formula believed to embody the divinity invoked and to possess magical power, used in prayer and incantation. Did paul study under gamaliel? However I do travel to Dallas for Shavuot to visit one of Messianic Rabbis down there. St. Paul is simply an elect vessel, as an Apostle! If Paul began study at the latest age of 16, we can guess a birth year of about A.D. 6 at the earliest. Paul may be seeing this as another threat to the Law and acts as his predecessors did to preserve the culture and traditions of the Pharisaical movement and interpretations. (Mark was intimately connected with Peter since the beginning of the Church, and he acted as scribe for Peter and other Apostles who were illiterate at in their younger years. I will punt the description of the Shammites back to Wright, I have read extensively on the topic, but the characterization he gives in *What Saint Paul Really Thought* is a bit more than I think the evidence can bear. 3). I am not uncomfortable with you at all, although some other users have suggest you be banned for your rather odd way of thinking. Paul, (Timothy1:1) Jesus said, "Ye must be born again" to? Perhaps a foundation stone? Are you the Patricio Abramzon who attended the Evelyn Rubenstein Jewish Community Center in Houston? This is a question of fact about the content of the text in the 66 Books of our Bible. Are the lines differentiating Gamaliel/Hillel from Shammaite Pharisees sufficiently filled out by robust bodies of exhaustive casuistry? But that was the requirement Jesus gave to sit on thrones: You are those who have stood by me in my trials. You, speaking to His 11 Apostles who had been walking with Him faithfully for 3 years. My buddy has a new friend from a Baptist background that seems really smart and good with words. (Soon, in the Logos Library!) And Christians do it with pride as there is no Trinity and the Bible doesnt say there is OR that God is more than 1. Gamaliel. Provocative. is his own writings Acts 22 22-29. now there is the whole case of Paul a true liar. Phillip J. he wouldn't just give it all up on a whim, especially not to be jailed, flogged, persecuted, and executed for it. Who was Paul taught under? Having other ideas that moves us away from the scripture is tantamount to adding or subtracting from the Word which we are forbidden to do. But if we want to get closest to The Source, Jesus himself, it makes sense that we should look first to the eyewitness testimony of two of His appointed Apostles who walked with Him faithfully for over 3 years, Matthew & John. Needless to say, many still revere Philomena and Christopher as saints. He says he is "of the tribe of Benjamin.". This is your only warning before being banned for incivility. Love. https://wonderfulgraceofjesus.wordpress.com/2017/03/08/the-commandments-of-jesus/#comment-120. Responding to a question from Peter, Jesus said to them: you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. [Matthew 19:28]. Considering the writing of the Mishnah and Talumd are collection of previous works from various Yeshivas (ie before the New Testament) clearly shows you have no idea what youre talking about in regards to Judaism and how the text was culminated. No one. For that, we have to go to extra-biblical sources. Acts of the Apostles, 5 speaks of Gamaliel as a man held in great esteem by all Jews and as the Jewish law teacher of Paul the Apostle in Acts 22:3. . it seems like Gamaliels statement would be a good point to make in sharing the gospel message with people of the Jewish faith. Its nice and tidy to say I just accept what the Bible says, but whose interpretation? Gamaliel was the grandson of Hillel, the most renowned rabbi in Jewish history. Saul (Paul) Persecutes the Church [edit | edit source] In Chapter 9 of Acts, we come into close contact with Saul, later known as Paul, for the first time. Maybe Shammites were more conservative, Hillites more liberal, but that is only relative from the perspective of the Essenes they were all too liberal on the Law! (Paul insisted that all the workers show respect for him by addressing him as Boss Paul.) Paul called the team of painters together and told them: Boys, we need to paint this garage and house. According to Josephus (Life 38.190-191), Gamaliel belonged to "a highly respected family"; there is no good reason to reject the early Jewish tradition that he was the grandson (or perhaps . Basically, he said that if the movement is from God then it cannot be stopped, if it is not then it will not succeed. The translation of his relics is observed on August 2 . God wants to welcome anyone into His family who has the desire to seek, follow, obey, trust, and love God. [22] The Roman Catholic church views him as a Saint and listed him in the Roman Martyrology for August 3. To be extremely polite, I could say that Paul says some things which are difficult to understand. To be more direct, I could say Paul talks like an arrogant megalomaniac with a messiah complex, proclaiming; I am not under the law but yet making up his own laws as he goes along, that everyone else has to obey. St. Paul was always proud of his Roman citizenship, indeed I think we can surmise biblically, that Paul was always something of a Jewish Pharisee, and too a Jewish-Hellenist, but foremost caught-up in his calling as an Apostle of Christ! So the Twelve gathered all the disciples together. And this is before Saul/Paul is even mentioned. To what extent should we use Pauls training at the feet of Gamaliel as background to understanding his later theology? His seeds are seeds of oppression and bondage. What were Pauls specific sins as a Christian? It is best to study what the schools of Judaism taught during that era of that temple. Yes the Holy Spirit guided him in his writings, but part of being human is how we are shaped from our teachers and mentors. Your comments are ridiculous and borderline stupidity. Or you are playing fast and loose with the word talmud. Pauls speech and thought directly lines up with the teachings of Hillel.. Or see the series of posts on Core Beliefs of Second Temple Judaism starting here: https://readingacts.com/2017/03/30/core-beliefs-of-second-temple-judaism-shema/. We do not know if either Gamaliel or Paul heard Jesus preach or were part of any of the meetings which led to his death. .b) What about the so-called Great Commission? In fact Paul was called Shaliach and Yeshua was called Rabbi. Just babbling out loud. This passion is evident in his active persecution of those he saw as going against what the Torah taught about the Messiah. There is a fine line to be drawn, sure God uses who we are to accomplish his will, but Paul was changed at his conversion. The will of God is plainly revealed, showing all that man is to do, to be, to suffer, and enjoy. How likely is it that the acknowledged leaders of the church today could come to such unanimous theological agreement? Train a child in the way he should go, and when he is old, he will not depart from it (Proverbs 22.6). Paul, before his conversion, tended to be more like the Shammaites in that he was fairly violent and full of persecution. Benjamin was a euphemism for Herodian Jew btw so Pharisee or not Paul was loyal to Herod, his friend was foster brother of Herod the tetrarch or Herod something, but Herod. I want to bring my hippie friends to church- but how to I explain to them that its taboo to mention Pauls sins and doctrinal errors in church? This is a good point, although I am not sure that the tradition is totally reliable. I wrote a short note on Pauls relationship with Gamaliel two years ago and it has been one of the more popular posts on Reading Acts. Its not easy for me now in 1973, as a young man just trying to start out in ministry. Paul = "little". Gamaliel, as it appears, did most toward establish-. Only after the house is finished and the paint is dry can we go and paint the garage.. Paul was a Pharisee. Why not listen to Jesus, and His words written down and passed on by HIS faithful eyewitnesses, the Apostles HE personally appointed, and personally trained for over 3 years, Matthew and John? One could envisage that the power of God was already hard wired in the heart some people through faith in his words and by grace in his blood just as Gamaliel proclaimed, A homeowner called his friend, who was a painting contractor. And what kind of a stone is the most solid, permanent, and unchangeable? His dissertation was published as Jesus the Bridegroom by Pickwick Books in 2012. His dissertation was published as Jesus the Bridegroom by Pickwick Books in 2012. This is a matter of defining ones terms. I got my Masters Degree at Dallas Theological Seminary. For these reasons, it seems highly unlikely that Paul isolated himself for the purpose of study during these "Lost Years.". What was Paul's purpose in the Bible? etc. Im horrified that youre taking Jewish writings and making crazy stories out of them.. symphony kitchen spares; pink lily holiday dresses; hitch installation near me. While this is a generalization, many of the rabbinic debates of the first century come down to the opinion of Hillel versus Shammai. If it wasnt for his prior teaching and influence, then he would not of had the zeal and passion. This does not seem so radically opposed to Rome. Galatians: Freedom through Gods Grace (Wipf & Stock, 2019). So the biggest problem with the church in Corinth was Paul himself, and his abusive absentee leadership style. In fact, Paul describes himself as a ruthless persecutor who sought to stop what he saw as an aberration within Judaism. Silence since March now its June. The revelation of the Gospel directly from Jesus Christ (Gal 1:12), most probably in Arabia. So if I wanted to be like Paul I could stretch the truth and claim that Marco Barrientos was my worship teacher- but really that would be name-dropping in order to impress people!, Quote from The Atlantic Monthly Magazine, January 1999 Article titled What is the Koran? by Toby Lester. There will always necessarily be a need for supposition and inference. Why does it make us so uncomfortable? You can hover over the pic and it will say that (or at least it did for me in Firefox). Polhill observes that several rulings of Gamaliel appear in the Mishnah, mostly having to do with marriage and divorce. Wow, that Love Song concert was groovy, man. Is it possible that Paul did conceive of certain individual missions against Christians as consistent with a rendering of mercy, that is, mercy to the stability of cultural Judaism rather than mercy to minority Jews (i.e., Christians)? Jesus warned us about the Pharisees in Matthew chapters 15 & 16, and quoted the Prophet Isaiah regarding them: These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. And we can but make some comparisons in ourselves. Paul had decided to preach to gentiles apparently out of his own revelatory experience that this was the mission that had been given him by God when God called him to function as a prophet for this new Jesus movement. A generation before Christ there were two great rabbis, Hillel and Shammai. A scribe would be among the most highly educated in Judaism, and since at the feet of Gamaliel implies a mentoring relationship, it seems to me that a near-equivalent would be a serious specialized Masters Program, if not a PhD. Human teachers and influences, for some at least, did not matter. When P. Long said above that he was an ultra conservative reacting to what he perceived as a dangerous liberal view, it made me think of this situation more in terms of the present times. ), If you cant prove me wrong, you dont have to say Im right, you dont have to agree, but dont say that Im wrong. If you are sure Im wrong but you dont have time to prove it, that means you are either lazy, willfully ignorant, or are breaking the 9th of the Ten Commandments, You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.. In Galatians 1:21, Paul wrote, "I went into the regions of Syria and Cilicia .". The rule is- never step on the Hat, just keep dancing around it. For example, I talk a bit about this issue in these posts: https://readingacts.com/2013/08/29/the-new-perspective-on-paul-did-paul-convert-to-christianity/, https://readingacts.com/2013/09/08/paul-and-judaism/, https://readingacts.com/2017/09/04/was-paul-a-pharisee/. Jesus never said right is wrong, He never said wrong is right. If you Torah-observant Jews dont believe that the Yeshua (Jesus) of the 4 Gospels is really the Jewish Messiah, can you back that up with Torah and Nabiim ? The Astounding Conversion of Paul But this seems to be where the peaceful teachings of Gamaliel shine stronger. It is necessary to choose one of the men who have been with us the whole time the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, beginning from Johns baptism to the time when Jesus was taken up from us. It ignores the previous verse, 2 Timothy 3:15, which clearly indicates that Paul was NOT referring to his own letters when he wrote the words All Scripture.. Yet hes from the school of Shammi? Same question; Specifically, what were Pauls specific sins as a Christian based on specific verses of the Bible? Not 1 as in 3 in 1. Jesus is always right. This included sacrifices and multiple gods before and after the games. 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