Another case of press hype by ZI and nerf for the TOA. So the new Crux and Enve gravel wheels I bought for the ToW will be sitting in my garage while I get assigned a standard bike? Zwift Racing League Week 3 Guide: Innsbruckring, Top 5 Zwift Videos: Racing Gone Wrong, PRL Full, and Budget Setups, Save $50 on Zwift Hub with this Strava Challenge. Just like outside, a more aero setup will perform best on high-speed flats and downhills, while a lighter-weight bike is what you want for long climbs. In the off-road parts, I had to be careful not to ride off the front of the bunch (mostly on Trons), but had to double-down to stay with them when back on the asphalt it felt like you had a -20w anchor. (pure flat Time Trial, or pure climb segment on Strava) Im not high enough level to own a disc wheel-set so thats another factor. If the road got steeper, the Gravel bike's lead would increase. No incentive for me to drop shop or care really. For detailed information on specific sections of the route, simply drag over that section on the Time Analysis chart to zoom in (note the data under Route Overview updates to Zoomed Area). We ran some Kappa Quest test laps at 300W steady with a 75kg rider using five different bike setups. a 23 second difference over 50 minutes is three quarters of 1% of a pure difference. Route details for "Three Sisters" in Watopia on Zwift. The overall winner is the gravel bike with the ENVE G23 wheels (the Roval Terra CLX perform identically), because they have a lower Crr than the stock gravel wheels. The time trial is called the race of truth for good reason: you dont get to hide in the draft. Maybe Eric can comment on this. The Radio Tower portion of the climb is ~1.1km (0.68mi) at 13.7%. Its been the sole purpose of my Zwift existence post L25, when interesting unlocks dried up. Does swapping bikes make sense on Yumezi? Many Zwifters prefer a quick warm-up because the Three Sisters route's climbing starts almost immediately. Amazing found indeed. Anyone who did the segment back when it was only a rebel route andRead more . Just joking). Thanks, Anthony. If indeed they are changing the speeds as much as is claimed. While not as punishing as The Pretzel and some of Watopias toughest routes, itll still put you in the hurt locker with almost 3000 of climbing! The choice is yours! Since this is an event only route it seems that unless one uses a hack like zwiftpref there is no way to match this segment other than using manual turns. It was the best all-rounder last week by some distance. I should say, this article is written in the context of Zwiftracing. By comparison, the easily attainable Specialized Tarmac Pro or Cannondale EVO frames could be paired with the low-level unlocked ENVE 3.4 or DT Swiss ARC 62 wheels to turn in a time of 48:49 (59s faster). I have other frames and wheelsets in my garage butRead more . I have so much crap-tier equipment in my Zwift garage now. Maybe you should have led with that. That is the only way to get those wheels. Zwift is virtual training for running and cycling. You dont need those drops, and but the time youre high enough in level to get the best gear (Venge with disc, Addict & Enve 7.8) you will have 6 million drops just waiting to be used. What you see below is the written version of my answer to Rick. Swapping from one bike to another is often done heading in and out of the Jungle Circuit in Watopia. This spin bike is a great option for those looking for a quality workout indoors. I missed this routes event at the TOW, I assume there will be others or it will be added as a non-event route at some point? Route: Three Little Sisters Distance: 29.19 km // 18.13mi Elevation: 405 m // 1,328 ft . Given the weather here recently, that would be the bike with mudguards then. 20 Xp per Km or 30 Xp per mile, better choice to ride in Km, 100 km = 2000 xp, but the equivalemt in miles (62,13) = 1864 xp. Ditto for other frames, of course. This community-driven site is maintained by Eric Schlange and a team of Zwift enthusiasts. When every team member is taking turns pulling on the front, each of their bike choices matters. Been level 50 for 18 months and have more drops than I know what to do with . I just want to ride the gravel bike occasionally, this will be my go to since i dont plan to race, maybe on a group ride if everybody does a switch i will join the majority. New bikes? There is some flat in the course. the course isnt hard. Eric did a whole post about retesting with the fixed group sets. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); document.getElementById( "ak_js_2" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Are you going to create a from start pier or segment starts just after start pier segment for this so people doing it in the tour of watopia match a segment? You cant supertuck on MTB. 3.2w/kg is usually the dividing line between C and B, so should be quite do-able for a decent B cyclist. 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You do these (standardized) tests at 300 watts and a 75kg rider? Cause we all know the Tron Bike is not a strong climber! Not only this, but it would be nice to know whether the gap between, say, the S-Works Venge and the new Pinarello F is still two seconds at 200 watts or whether it changes. I rode the Cervelo Aspero today up Makuri Island Spiritual Tree KOM just below 8 minutes while the MTB was pegged by its weight penalt simply cannot matched that time and lost by over a minute. Rules Set No TT Bikes, Show Race Results. Can I email support and ask for a refund or exchange for the addict? Zwifts February 2022 update included this route as an event-only route that awards an achievement badge. Zwift is virtual training for running and cycling. This advice is good for individual time trial or solo KOMs. Guessing the drit crr number will slow it alot so gravel will beat it if just the dirt climb not a whole route of mostly pavement. Ouch. Ticker Tape by TradingView. The length and difficulty of this route make it perfect for a 1-hour challenge. Who can complete this route in under an hour? So Maya jungle still MTB is best choice? (Like, why is the Steel worse than the Safety, which is clearly a joke frame? Great note about the hour challenge! For the rider, we modeled a lighter athlete holding roughly 2.5 to 2.7 Watts/Kg. The Specialized Tarmac Pro (not the same as Specialized Tarmac) and the Enve SES 3.4 unless you have unlocked the Meilenstein LIghtweight by going up the Alpe du Zwift and being fortunate enough to have the spinner land on them. An all-arounder is a good choice here, since it helps you on the climbs but doesnt lose much on the flats. Its not important to me, but just not understanding routes very well. During that chat, host Rick Wenger asked me a question: does bike choice really matter in Zwift? If a different wheelset or frame can slice anything off your time, why wouldnt you use it? Up the road a bit (just past the dinosaurs) is the start of our second KOM of the day. 3. Its not a steep climb, but its long enough to hurt if youre trying to grab that KOM jersey! No answer so far. /ebdmpr/three-sisters-zwift-bike-choice,x,120mm,Plane,Propeller,3-Blade,Electric,$3,dreamsofpurple.com,EFLUP120703B,Propellers,70mm,Toys Hobbies , Radio Control Control Line , RC Model Vehicle Parts Accs , Body Parts Interior , Airplanes , See more EFLUP120703B E-Flite 12,E-flite $3 E-flite 120mm x 70mm 3-Blade Propeller EFLUP120703B Propellers . Each stage of Tour of Watopia 2022 includes a brand-new route, most of which are former Rebel Routes. iOS and Android compatible. Or is the Volcano KOM not long/steep enough? document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); document.getElementById( "ak_js_2" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Would love your thoughts, please comment. EVENT DESCRIPTION. Zwift launched Yumezi, the first map on its new Makuri Islands world, early this week. Plus some of the the dirt paths are steeper than the jungle on watopia where the kg come into play. Hey Eric . Three Little Sisters. Its much easier now that you have the draft of a large official zwift event! Do you really care which bike youre riding, even if its the fastest? I think your Stage 3 is based on the Short Option only. This was the longest climb in all of Zwift when it was released, but it is now dwarfed by Alpe du Zwift. my god you measurebators are insufferable. Im on level 26. Look at wheelsets to match whilst ensuring you have the Everest challenge in place and climb 50k for the Tron. Anyone done this one and figured out best bike choice? If other riders use tron bikes you will be dropped shortly after start for sure and will never come back on dirt because the bunch, albeit having rolling resistance penalty, will use draft to overcome it. Bike Frame + Wheel Choice. Expect this RACE to be highly competitive across . Eric, as always another great piece of writing and analysis. This route is not selectable from the routes menu, so Im not sure what freely ridable means. Very nicely done breaking down the stages and best bike choices! If it got flatter, the MTB would move ahead. I am truly 46kg and 50 The deep wheelsets are to heavy for me. Im not quite there but many km until the next bike I want to buy this was as good of a time as any to upgrade my mtb and buy the Grail. This route is essentially a dirt KOM climb, a dirt descent, then a mixed dirt/pavement connector road from the bottom of the KOM descent to the start of the climb. The other two route options for stage one are Watopias Figure 8 and Two Bridges Loop. What? As far as I can tell the only useful recommendation is not to worry about frames unless youre racing and until you reach level 30 and have several million drops so you can buy whatever happens to be fastest that month. Id take the Grail, just because I like it (and never am in a race where that would make a big difference) Then the Crux with the ENVE G23 @ 16:37 Big difference!!! The Canondale is now lighter than the Specialized Tarmac Pro, after zwift changing the weight and attributes of the latter. Eric, Can you tell us at least qualitatively how these numbers (or advantages) would change at lower Watts (like say 200). The "Three Sisters" route covers Watopia's three oldest climbs ( Hilly KOM, Epic KOM, and Volcano KOM) in a forward direction. The third race of Zwift Racing League 2022/23 Round 3 happens Tuesday, January 24th. To get Bologna performance, take the average of seconds saved on the flat test, and seconds saved on the climbing test, then divide the average by roughly 3. Zwift needs some new bikes! Terms of Use/DMCA Copyright Policy I had a crack at this today but, as a warning to lighter riders (which I assume contributes to the problem), I had to put out 3.5w/kg for an hour just to hang with C. Cadence on the MTB. If youre 46kg and theyre 92kg, then theyd be doing 1/2 the wkg as you, if you both were doing the same watts. hollywood voucher at shoprite. Would love your thoughts, please comment. finally get to dust of my canyon grail i think it was getting rusty in my garage just sitting there! Hilarious. Zwift Insider makes a small commission on purchases made from these links, so please shop through them to support our efforts. Smash your goals and compete with others around the world. You got me again, Eric. My guess is that its only a tactics used to sell bikes in the Drop Shop. See to Tree route in a race/event isRead more . Great work !! Further tests showed the Chapter2 TOA is just as fast as ever, though, so we would recommend it above the Scott Addict RC as its just a bit faster. This route isnt getting much attention so far as Stage 5 of the Tour of Watopia. If you have sufficient drops I would also purchase DT Swiss Arc 62 wheelset as they are only a few seconds slower than Zipp 808s on the flats but climb much better for hillier courses. With two trips up the Titans Grove KOM and plenty of flat road in between, youll want to pick a setup that helps you perform when it counts on Eastern Eight. And show the freaking profile of the course for Petes sake l, dont be so cheap and lazy! This route originally started as a Rebel Route, and will now be an event only route badge. In a typical road race, many riders spend much of the time trying to conserve their energy so they can attack (or survive!) What is Best Bike Split? On a flat course, you would have to do the same watts as a heavier rider to keep up (ignoring less aero for aRead more . Job done. Switching to the start pier segment penalizes those who did it as a free ride, leaving it as is means the vast majority of people who did the route dont match the segment. I find the Scott Addict RC climbs faster so I always use that on routes with climbing. I bought the Focus Izalco as my all-arounder, since the Aeroad had been removed from the beginner best-of list due to the drivetrain bug. Altitude: - m. Tarmac: 41.8km (87%) Wood: 2.0km (4%) Cobbles: 318m (1%) Snow: 2 . I am 78kg and usually do 280W-300W on this climb. Should I buy Canyon Aerod 2021 or Chapter 2 TOA. What about climbing? . Zwift. Zwift Insider is independent of Zwift corporate (www.zwift.com), although Zwift does provide funding to help defray site costs. This site contains affiliate links to Amazon, Wahoo, and other brands. Was there another update today? Do you know if bike weights in Zwift are scaled at all in proportion to rider size? Does the Tron Bike not compensate for the worse time upwards, with a faster time downwards, compared to, for example, the Cannondale EVO and The Lightweight Meilenstein wheels? Perfect . Yes, I did. The only exceptions that I can see to this would be. Im confused that your results here show the Grail as 1s than the Crux faster on the climb to the tree (with the base Zwift gravel wheels) since the Crux is 7s faster up the Alpe on your other page. Smash your goals and compete with others around the world. Scott Addict RC climbs faster so I always use that on routes with climbing. 1). Contribute a post, shop through us, make a donation, advertise on this site. Many Zwifters dont realize that the bike frames and wheelsets you use in game affect your speed. In an event sub 60 should be doable for somewhat decent cyclists. Each new climb is longer than the one before, and we take the shortest possible route to get from climb to climb. Its getting boring/tiring with them changing the speeds on a whim every week . Completed the route in ToW Wednesday and not seeing the segment from start pens in Strava. The MTB is the best dirt descender, which isnt a surprise, since its the heaviest of the three. Each new climb is longer than the one before, and we take the shortest possible route to get from climb to climb. Terms of Use/DMCA Copyright Policy TOA and Addict was really close before, Addict 1 sec fast on climb, TOA 3 secs faster on flat. Given that your frame/wheel tests are only for solo time trials, perhaps it would make sense to choose a lighter setup for pack races. Your gravel bike will notRead more . Thanks, All the nerfing and changing is bs. just wish that stats wouldnt move, might go back the Addict, I only liked the chapter as you could change colours . And only you control your speed there is no drafting. Advertise new gravel products to hype TOW then dont allow us to use them. Any good idea for an ideal bike/wheel setup for a level 23? If it takes 20% longer to complete the test course, gaps will be 20% larger. I still dont have the Aeroad 2020, which costs about 160,000 more. The final factor is the virtual bike you select. ZWIFT ZONE 3 LEG WORK (Zwift Acad 2016- Month4) 1:05h (3x10' Z3 81%) STRENGTH BUILDER (Zwift Acad 2016- Month4) 1:23h (3x16' Z3 81%) LOW CADENCE Z3 STEPS (Zwift Acad 2016- Month1) 1:28h (5x8'12' Z3 88%) The total elevation is a bike and a run, and it's more than m. Zwift's winter race series is a chance to challenge a race like no. I just need to hope I dont use too much energy getting to the bottom of the volcanoand that Im still in the lead group to make it worthwhile! the up-side is that once you reach the cat limits (w/kg), you dont get promoted, until you also exceed the raw wattage FTP requirements. I asked a similar question over on the new gravel wheel post. Thanks! Three Little Sisters doesnt have the Epic KOM climb in the route. I am sure he meant starting on an Aethos, because its not like the group would ride away from you on the flat because of it. The Canyon TT frame with the DT Suisse wheels is likely the best choice for Bologna. Probably not, since the overall advantage gained isnt enough to outweigh the 30-second cost of swapping to one bike then swapping back again. Lets see what youve got! Im so tired of spending my drops on the latest and greatest frames only to have Zwift turn around and Nerf it on the next update. The MTB is the best dirt descender . Roval Alpinist if you are going w/best climbing set-up. It includes ~27.6km of roads, and ~8.6km of those roads are dirt. Correct. Do your results mean that the Canyon Grail is faster than the Specialized Crux with the Gravel Wheels? I would have rather had Road to Sky as an option for the chance of the Lightweight wheels. Dont underestimate the Epic KOM, though: its got plenty of suffering in store, and the super steep bonus climb up to the radio tower just adds insult to injury! In fact, all three routes for this stage are flat, which means aero performance rules the day. So, the TRON for all rides except the gravel ride. Dont worry, assuming youre in the level 18-30 range theres nothing worth buying for a while now (and the Chapter 2 is still a great all around frame until you get Tron or level up for the Addict). The Gravel and MTB perform nearly identically on the climb, when using the stock Zwift wheels for each. Head through Watopia to the Volcano, riding around the mountains north side to the entrance of the Volcano KOM our third and final climb of the day. Thats a significant, noticeable difference one that will get you dropped when the going gets tough. Conclusion: experienced Zwifters with access to most or all of the fastest setups can rest assured that any of the fastest rigs will work just fine. Privacy Policy, How to Race on Zwift (Setup, Strategy, and More). While not as punishing as The Pretzel and some of Watopia's toughest routes, it'll still put you in the hurt locker with almost 3000 of climbing! Hit it hard to finish in a couple of minutes, or take it easy. Great article! With structured workouts and social group rides. Zwift Vintage Riding Goggles = Requires 440,000 XP; Bont Shoes = Requires 460,000 XP; Giro Vanquish Helmet = Requires 480,000 XP; . Zwift Insider makes a small commission on purchases made from these links, so please shop through them to support our efforts. 18.3 mi: 01:13:47: view: Three Little Sisters NEW: Hilly: 168 w: 19 mph: 23.4 mi: 01:15:24: view: Out and Back Again: Hilly: 170 w: 19 mph: 24.7 mi: 01:16:38: view: Mountain 8: . The same principle holds true in a team time trial setting. I only recently earned the Zwift Concept Z1 but, the more I read, the more Im convinced theres little reason to use anything other than the Z1 else unless Im shooting for a specific PR. junker morse key. The advantage you select will mean a disadvantage elsewhere, so choose carefully! The stock Zwift setup completed our Alpe du Zwift test in 49:48. Youll quickly hit the first climb of the ride the very first timed KOM to exist on Watopia! I also got moved to C group (Im at the bottom) and its frustrating when riders that weigh more have larger w/kg and I have to kill myself to stay in the group when theyre doing same watts as myself. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); document.getElementById( "ak_js_2" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Whats the difference between the Three Sisters and three sisters zwift bike choice three sisters zwift bike choice. Read more about the Advanced Weather chart under our on the FAQs page and see it in action on our Ironman World Championships Demo. Those look like a solid choice as a must-buy upgrade, Crr and Watt Savings of Zwift Wheel Types, Tiny Race Series Results and January 14 Routes, Zwift Racing League Week 2 Guide: The Magnificent 8 (TTT), On the Hoods, In the Drops: How Zwift Determines Avatar Hand Position, Notable Zwift Events for the Weekend of January 14-15, Zwift Grand Prix Tomorrow: Last Team Standing Race Details. Finish the route, unlock the achievement badge, and youll earn triple XP for your efforts thanks to the extra XP being awarded for ToW! Three Sisters Forward from Start Pier If you havent done much research on how Zwifts various frames and wheels perform, here are some places to start: Good luck on your Tour of Watopia rides. If this is an event only, assuming equip with a road bike and DT Swiss wheel sets? (And you will be, racing up the Alpe!). Yay! February 19, 2022. So it would seem that the Gravel bike would be the smartest choice for this route, since it gives the biggest advantage on the crucial climb where effort is highest. Nothing particularly impressive about that to most people other then me but I was pumped. IF the question is taking in mind that Race Makuri Stage 3 is on this course TT bike is not a viable choice . Am I remembering correctly that you can supertuck with the road or gravel bikes but not the mtb? At level 33, sure I can go find some better stuff and occasionally I switch back to the Tron or TT bike, but going faster while not moving is not my motivation!
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